littlelogs

Keep a social journal of your work progress as you make and learn things.

josh
josh

Hey littlelogs. Sorry we haven’t been around lately. @belle and I have been debating shutting #littlelogs down, actually, because it was only ever a side project and it’s clear that it’s not of use to many people. We sort of half-heartedly meant for our logs to be useful to our users in seeing what we’re working on, but in practice I’m not sure many of them ever look, which is fair enough. We’re going to try adding the ability to write progress logs to our public roadmap thing https://changemap.co, where users will be more likely to see them, which means there’s little need to keep this around. Nothing certain yet, of course, but that’s why we’ve not been diligently logging — doesn’t feel like much point any more.

You’re all still lovely though. Don’t take it personally.

rhitakorrr
rhitakorrr

That’s unfortunate to hear, but understandable. Littlelogs is a bit out-of-the-way for users to find, and I suspect that most users are more interested in the result than the process in the first place. However, even if littlelogs didn’t succeed at its initial goal, I think it succeeded in other ways. It’s become a small community for people who are working on projects and would like to share/discuss what they’re working on with other people doing much of the same, and that’s very cool. That’s not something you get with Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc.

It’s been quiet around here lately (if you hadn’t posted today, I was going to post a picture of a tumbleweed), but I still like littlelogs for what it is. Whatever you and @belle decide, I just want to say it’s been a pretty good place here, even if it didn’t turn out the way you intended.

27 May

larouxn
larouxn

I just want to thank you and @belle for this neat little site. Though it hasn’t been the most active site, there were times when it really did feel like a little community and I really enjoyed that. Regardless of how littlelogs proceeds from here, thank you. 🙂

27 May

belle
belle

Thanks for the nice comments! Unfortunately we’ve never made the time to make Littlelogs priority, so it hasn’t grown much, but that’s something we take responsibility for. We just have too much other stuff going on to also put time into side projects like this, which is a shame because I loved having a place to chat about what I was working on. Thanks to everyone who’s been part of the community!

28 May

ChristinaWillner
ChristinaWillner

@josh and @belle, thanks for all the hard work and creativity you put into your projects. I understand how hard it is too try and keep multiple things going and growing. There is just so little time in the day and everything takes so much time/energy! I fully support your decision to shut littlelogs down and I hope it will feel good for you guys to have one less thing that occupies your headspace. I hope we can keep in touch somewhere else (even though I was pretty new to littlelogs) I am on a similar journey as you (having projects with my husband trying to reach some financial stability with it) and I think connecting with others in the same boat and supporting each other is so helpful and nice. :) Feel free to shot me an email: christinawillner@gmail.com.

Take care, everyone!

28 May

josh
josh

Sorry for the timing Christina! I think you’re right about having one less thing to worry about :) good luck with your own projects!

28 May

rhitakorrr
rhitakorrr

Just a thought, if littlelogs does shut down and we still want to keep this little community going, we could create a Slack or Discord group for it—possibly with a channel for logs. Wouldn’t be quite the same thing, but it would be a way to keep in touch.

29 May

josh
josh

I’ve really gone off the idea of Slack for groups, but yeah, perhaps something like a forum/chat room would be a good idea — is Discord like that?

(The irony of fact that the biggest conversation we’ve had here in months is on “littlelogs is shutting down” isn’t lost on me either)

30 May

larouxn
larouxn

I love Discord but it’s basically Slack but with less integrations and better voice chat and a focus on gaming integration. So, probably not ideal either. 🤔

30 May

rhitakorrr
rhitakorrr

Yeah, if you don’t like Slack for groups, then Discord isn’t ideal either. I recommended them because most online groups I’m in use one of those services to good effect—that, and Slack has threads which, if we had a “logs” channel, would work well as a comment system. Kind of a cross between a forum and a chat room. While I’m not wed to either service, I am curious why you prefer not to use Slack.

30 May

josh
josh

It’s sort of hard to explain. I don’t like that it’s an “app”, it feels a bit walled off compared to a site like littlelogs or a forum. Can you link to threads, for example? Also every person and their dog seems to have a Slack thing of their own. I’m only in one now but previously was in three, and I think Belle had a higher number as she was trying to be more active in various communities (but also cut them back, pretty sure). I didn’t like always having to switch between them.

It just doesn’t feel nice to use for me, except maybe for its original use — work chat. Totally fair if you don’t agree or buy my reasoning, it’s a pretty vague collection of feelings.

03 June

rhitakorrr
rhitakorrr

Okay, I get that—Slack account hell is real and switching between multiple groups/accounts can be a pain (I think I’m in 4 Slack groups and a Discord group). In regards to linking threads, if you are in the browser version of Slack, you can copy the URL from the URL bar while viewing a thread; this wasn’t my first guess, though, as there is a useless Share button which links to the archives, not the live channel.

Still leaning on the chat room side, another option might be something like Gitter, which is more open than Slack (you don’t have to be invited or register a new account to see messages, and you can just sign in with your existing Twitter or GitHub account to chat). Biggest issue there is there are no threads at all, as far as I can tell, and I don’t know if it still feels too much like an app.

Forum software, on the other hand, I’m almost completely unfamiliar with. Google Groups, maybe?

03 June

belle
belle

@josh is right, I did cut back how many Slack groups I’m in. These days I only use it if I really have to. I don’t even like using it for work chat. I find the UI confusing and complicated, and I’ve always felt I need to be around all the time or spend ages reading back through every message I missed if I’m going to get value from it. These days I only dip in when I need to say something, and otherwise mainly stay away from it, because it’s so noisy. I also don’t think threading works well in Slack. I hate the way you end up with comments on a thread in the main channel, where the context of what you’re responding to is missing, and threads aren’t fully featured like channels (e.g. you can’t share a photo in a thread, so if you’re having a thread discussion and need to share an image, it ends up out of context in the main channel anyway).

04 June

peter
peter

Sorry to hear this @josh and @belle. As one of those users that stopped logging, I want to explain why - I’m just not working on/progressing any of my projects on a regular enough basis to make logging worthwhile (to myself, or others).

If I’d been more successful then I would have made the time to log more often, as a kind of lessons learned log, if nothing else.

07 June

peter
peter

Also, I do like the idea of adding progress logs to Changemap, in a similar way to Headway perhaps?

07 June

josh
josh

I noticed we hadn’t heard from you for a while! I guessed it was because you didn’t have anything to share with us.

I guess it would be sort of like Headway, but the activity logs would be more of a supplement to the existing changelog stream.

07 June

Kraahkan
Kraahkan

Hey guys, sorry to hear this is coming to close, but understandable. When I do it, logging has always been helpful to cement my thoughts and remind myself that I am winning small victories even when it doesn’t feel like it. So whatever you two decide, please know that you improved my work!

IMO, this site could still be very useful if you offer it to a larger audience. If you ever feel a stronger desire to grow this community, offering invites to places like /r/entrepeneur might be a good way to revive the site.

Whatever you decide, wishing you well! If littlelogs stays up I’ll continue to use it as often as often I remember! 😄

07 June

josh
josh

Perhaps I could set up a mastodon instance for discussing progress on projects. There are already a few themed instances and social media/microblogging (I think it supports 500 character posts?) feels like a better fit than chat. Thoughts?

1 week ago

rhitakorrr
rhitakorrr

I just made a Mastodon account to play around with. Can confirm there’s a 500 character limit, so littlelogs would become littlerlogs. Doesn’t look like there is any sort of text formatting (code blocks, bullet lists), which might be an issue for some, though I don’t really mind.

If the character limit is an issue or formatting is necessary, other alternatives like Google Groups or even a subreddit might be decent. Otherwise, I think Mastodon looks fine.

1 week ago

Kraahkan
Kraahkan

Yeah chat may not be the best fit. Mastodan sounds good, haven’t found any practical use yet so it could be neat.

1 week ago